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  The Garden of Eden

  by BugEye in

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  if one assumes that the bible is true, (not saying that it is) then a really big question arises.. eve was in the garden, minding her own business and a snake decieves her into eating from a tree that god had said not to eat from.. she then goes to adam and says that the snake said it was good to eat so i ate it, you try it.. this just doesnt wash. for starters, the first thing eve would really have said is "adam, come check this out, its a talking snake.".

  and even if she didnt, he would have said "what, a talking snake, this i gotta see".

  dave

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  as to para-phrase Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting: I hope you like apples.

  According to the Talmud, Adam's first wife was Lilith. Yahweh created them both at the same time. She refused to subordinate herself in any way to either Adam or god, so she quarreled and disappeared.

  Adam made an appeal which caused Yahweh to send 3 angels to find her, Senoi, Sansenoi and Samangloph.

  They found her on the shores of the Red Sea, having sex with demons and producing demonic children called Lilims, at the rate of over a hundred a day. She was told that she would lose a hundred children a day if she did not return to Adam, she refused. So the angels attempted to drown her yet were unsuccesful. She was allowed to live on the condition that she would not harm any child who had an angels' name written on it. Later she was given to Samael by Yahweh as his first of four wives.

  According to the Zohar, Lilith later took part in the fall seducing Adam while Satan/Samael seduced Eve.

  Lilith which was an older concept than Eve, was unacceptable to the emerging Hebrew patriarchism, for she was an equal of man. The Talmud grimly sums up the type of woman that patriarchy needed:

  the lord considered from what part of the man he should form woman;
  not from the head, lest she should be proud;
  not from the eyes, lest she should wish to see everything;
  not from the mouth, lest she might be talkative;
  not from the ear, lest she should wish to hear everything;
  nor from the heart, lest she should be jealous;
  nor from the hand, lest she should wish to find out everything;
  nor from the feet, in order that she might not be a wanderer;
  only from the most hidden place, that is covered even when a man is naked---namely, the rib.

  even her name reflects her status:
  'she shall be called woman'(hebrew, isha) 'because she was taken out of man(ish)Gen.2:23
  subordinate, obedient, excluded from any position of power, and her sexuality confined to procreation. . .

  Somehow even this modified being could not be tamed, for she rebeled and refused to be told what fruit she could eat.

  Lilith, sums up the archtypical seductress, the personification of the 'dark side' of the feminine, which allures and repels the patriarchal mind.

  Lilith was the mother of all the living. . .

  how do you like them apples?

  Dark Clouds
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  How Well Do You Know The Bible?

  by dark clouds in

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  i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

  perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

  it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

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  dark clouds

  thank you sweetness

  that is it

  CHUCK
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  The Garden of Eden

  by BugEye in

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  if one assumes that the bible is true, (not saying that it is) then a really big question arises.. eve was in the garden, minding her own business and a snake decieves her into eating from a tree that god had said not to eat from.. she then goes to adam and says that the snake said it was good to eat so i ate it, you try it.. this just doesnt wash. for starters, the first thing eve would really have said is "adam, come check this out, its a talking snake.".

  and even if she didnt, he would have said "what, a talking snake, this i gotta see".

  dave

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  Yeru:

  dude for as interesesting a post as you may start what is up with this reply?

  I have no choice but to bring out my nad busters,

  They were brand new, what did they know?. . .Did Adam and Eve speak Hebrew?

  if you want to take the account as true, Adam lived in Eden for several years before Eve came along, so he KNEW that animals did not speak,

  regardless what language it was. . .

  CHUCK

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  Never Mock the Name by Which
  Another Man Knows His God; For If You Do It In Allah, You Will Do it In Adonai---
  Old Hebrew Saying
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  How Well Do You Know The Bible?

  by dark clouds in

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  i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

  perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

  it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

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  THIS IS A REQUEST:

  Someone pasted a thread they had posted on H2O here,

  The thread dealt with the scientific inaccuracies of the bible,

  Many verses were quoted and used to show how in fact the bible discredits itself and how it is nowhere near scientifically accurate

  If anyone knows which thread i speak of, or if the author would be as cool as to link it, or make a reference here, please do so,

  I cannot remember the title, so search is not helping me, and after searching through numerous pages it is becoming tedious, so help please, if you know to which thread i refer,

  The info was great and it would be great to resurface it. . .

  CHUCK
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  Things to do when they come knocking

  by Skimmer in

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  i encourage people not to either verbally or physically harass jws when they come knocking on the door.. saying this, i recognize that it is ever so tempting to try the following:.

  1) answering the door wearing a t-shirt with a logo such as "satan rules", "member of the evil slave class", and "1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, what's next?".

  2) answering the door wearing only underwear (or less).. 3) dropping a name of some governing body member and suggesting that you got to know him when he and you were in jail together, and then ask if they know if he's stopped some particular filthy habit.. 4) answering the door while brandishing a pitchfork.. 5) say that you're so glad they came and that it's good for people to have an open mind about their religion and to be willing to change; once you get them excited with this, show them a copy of the wtbts failed prophecy list (backed by quotes from their own literature) and ask if they are open minded as well.. 6) as most jws have never looked at a copy of _studies in the scriptures_, tell them that you've gotten many of your religious beliefs by pyramidology; then show them a copy of _sits_ and point to the wtbts copyright notice.. i have #5 and #6 ready for the next visit.

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  skimmer

  e-mail me a copy please!!!???
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  Dubs and Horsies

  by Stephanus in

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  i've gotten the impression that gambling is not looked upon kindly by the 'tower.

  is it officially condemned, i.e.

  is it a disfellowshippable offence?.

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  dark clouds

  why does

  Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

  come to mind?

  count me in if the experience will resemble the movie. . .

  CHUCK
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  Two Questions

  by Yerusalyim in

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  i have two questions, mostly for commited christians, though i'm sure somehow, that others will reply too.. 1) does prayer change god or his mind?.

  2) if not, why pray?.

  i have my own opinion on the subject, but i may be adjusting my understanding of god.. have fun!.

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  Yeru:

  1. it was stated before then that god has an active role in participating in human events, INTIMATELY
  
  2. he knows what we need before we ask him

  3. he knew the outcome of sodom while he spoke with
  Abraham (this can relate to point #1)

  if that is the case then, so as to not go off subject,

  where is our free-will?

  CHUCK
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  Two Questions

  by Yerusalyim in

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  i have two questions, mostly for commited christians, though i'm sure somehow, that others will reply too.. 1) does prayer change god or his mind?.

  2) if not, why pray?.

  i have my own opinion on the subject, but i may be adjusting my understanding of god.. have fun!.

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  Yeru

  I like your line of reasoning, very cool,
  he is unchangeable and his spirit moves us, i can hang with that thought, for i believe it is the very same energy that not only moves through us, but also moves us and everything that lives, as well as allowing us to do magik. . .

  not in contradiction though, but then how do we explain jonah's case? he changed his course of action does this not constitute his changing his mind?

  the way I see it---the bible stories anyway---is that they are all myths to teach a story, and prove a point etc., just another book in my library,

  i only say this so that you know where i stand

  by the way Riz if i weren't so far i'd help you out with the hair. . .

  Rob so i believe you are agreeing with what i said?
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  Direction Literally Creates Time

  by Big Jim in

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  one day a traveler in a remote country town,convinced that he was on the wrong road,came to a halt in a village.

  calling one of the villagers to the car window,he said, "friend,i need help.

  the villager looked at him for a moment.

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  when i left the borg i knew very well where i was going
  as far away as possible. . .

  thanks for the metaphor Jim
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  How Well Do You Know The Bible?

  by dark clouds in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i want to share a perspective, with everyone that comes here to read, for i feel it will take some of us in a new direction.

  perhaps it will allow for some creative thinking and interesting discussion or maybe it simply wont go anywhere.

  it does not really matter either way, for there are subjects which can only be speculated on and thoughts which can only be shared.

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  dark clouds

  bringing this one up to the top for the benefit of
  Flower Petal

  she asked a question on another thread that relates to this. . .

  CHUCK

  Joel Bear i side with your view on religion, it definitely is political. . .